Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy Demonstration with “Sarah” Pt. 4 | John Clarke Therapy
Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy Demonstration with “Sarah” Pt. 4 | John Clarke Therapy
In this episode of Going Inside, I guide Sarah through another Internal Family Systems (IFS) demonstration, exploring her inner landscape and working with a protective part that has long carried self-doubt and fear of rejection. As we slow down and create safety, Sarah connects with a younger part of herself that holds deep-seated beliefs about being different and misunderstood. Through our session, we navigate the emotions tied to early experiences of shame and isolation, leading to an organic unburdening and a shift in how this part relates to her present-day self.
*This is part 4 of a 4-part series of real Internal Family Systems therapy sessions
*Please note that the client's name has been changed to protect their privacy.
Self-doubt often stems from early experiences of rejection
Parts want to protect us, but they also want connection.
Healing happens when we create space for all parts.
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Interview Transcript:
[00:00:00] John: Hey everyone, thanks for tuning in for another IFS demo. This is another real session with a volunteer who has volunteered to do multiple sessions with me now. So you can either start by watching or listening to this one or you can go back and watch the other ones. It doesn't matter too much that they'll both be.
[00:00:19] John: Good for your learning and just experiencing what it's like to really see IFS in action. So the point of these demos is just that it's just for educational purposes, for me to try to showcase the model, or at least my best understanding and use of the model. I'm not. By any means, a perfect practitioner of the model.
[00:00:39] John: And so the way that I do it is is my way of doing it or my best interpretation of the model, the best decisions I can make in the session. Also given that it's a demo and given time constraints. So keeping all those things in mind the most important thing is that we go slow. We create safety.
[00:00:56] John: We make sure that we're checking for self energy. We always work with [00:01:00] protectors first and foremost before moving toward exiles. And so a few sessions in now we've established a good bit of safety and worked with various parts of this this volunteer in this session, you'll see, we work on some, on blending.
[00:01:13] John: We get to know a part that maybe an exile, maybe a protector. I don't think It matters that much. I think sometimes that language is just for the practitioner's comfort, but we get to know this part that was holding a lot of pain. Also say that yeah, there's some kind of intense childhood themes in here.
[00:01:33] John: A bit of a trigger warning, depending on your history, we're really working on a self depart connection and part to self connection. So you'll see that. And then toward the end, I think to both of our surprise, we. Went through a bit of an organic unburdening that just happened on its own.
[00:01:49] John: And the part really said on its own, Hey, this is what I want. And I want to walk hand in hand with you with self. And the volunteers body really responded to [00:02:00] that kind of spontaneous unburdening that happens. When the conditions are right, parts want to unblend, they want to. Tell their story, they want to unburden.
[00:02:08] John: More than anything, and more than the technical know how of the model, I would say really just make sure that if you're using the model, you're in as much self energy as possible. And that you're creating conditions where change can happen. If parts want to change or grow or shift or unblend or whatever, and those conditions really are about compassion, curiosity, understanding, and really just about.
[00:02:32] John: Love and innocence. And so that's the word that I always keep coming back to and really understanding what this model is. We're going back and being there for parts the way they needed someone to be at that time. And those missed opportunities for connection that we had, especially when we were.
[00:02:48] John: We were young and when we were children and beyond. Hope this demo is enjoyable to you. Always open to your feedback. You can email me, John at JohnClarkeTherapy.com. And thank you to the participants that have done these [00:03:00] so far. I really appreciate it. And again, I'm learning and growing with the model.
[00:03:04] John: So some of the ways in which I'm doing it now are a little bit different. And my intent is really to go slower than I want to go to really check for self energy myself in with. The client as often as I can and repetitively checking for it. And I'm just trying to organically let the session, let the system do what it needs to do.
[00:03:23] John: Trusting that the system is self governing. And again, if we work with an honor protectors, first and foremost, then that's how we keep the work safe. So the disclaimer is always. Unless you've had formal training in IFS training and supervision, then just be really careful. If you're using the model, I recommend if you are using it with other people that you have formal training and supervision to keep the work really safe because you can do damage with this model.
[00:03:47] John: It's so powerful. You can both create really. Big healing in people. You can also create damage in people. So just knowing that and really being as responsible as you can as a practitioner. So that's all for now. Thanks for tuning [00:04:00] in and hope you enjoy it. Hey, if you're a therapist, I want to help you deepen your client work, help them get better results without burning yourself out.
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[00:04:34] John: You can get all this for free in the link in the description and I hope you enjoy. Okay, welcome back. Thank you for doing this again. I'm really grateful to have multiple sessions with you to see where this goes and also to show people what a realistic journey it can be and what a winding road it can be to do this work and use this model, not knowing where it'll.
[00:04:56] John: Take us necessarily. We've covered lots of ground in our [00:05:00] previous sessions and for folks just tuning in, you can always check those out if you want, or you can just jump in by watching this session that we're about to do here. Yeah, let me know if there's anything. Coming up for you that you want to start with here today whether that is connected to our previous sessions or the parts we've connected with so far or a new direction, or you're not sure.
[00:05:26] Sarah: Yeah, I'm not really sure. I think I would say I was just rewatching the last session and. I guess I had forgotten about a lot of the things so I obviously didn't go back so much and yet some of these parts I guess I've popped up again, definitely this kind of, yeah, the, yeah, maybe there's actually a part that's connected to this part of wanting to meet other people's needs and it's something to do with with actually a part of me that's, yeah.
[00:05:59] Sarah: [00:06:00] uncertain that's been made to feel quite doubtful of herself because everybody thought, my ideas were so weird and they couldn't possibly work. They're different. And so I realized, yeah, now where, what I'm seeing is that I'm like wanting to shift my business in a different direction.
[00:06:19] Sarah: And. When I think about making it happen, there's that fear that comes up and the fear is the fear of almost like people like saying, see, it doesn't work if it fails, yes, it's see, because your ideas couldn't possibly work. Yeah, so there's this part there definitely that's quite active and connected, to some of the things that we've talked about before.
[00:06:46] John: Yeah, great job just connecting it to what we've covered before and touched into and yeah, sometimes parts are involved in multiple domains of our life or they show up in multiple domains, [00:07:00] especially when it has to do with our relationships and fears. You mentioned you're aware of this part that kind of says, see, it didn't work, right?
[00:07:08] John: If you were to try this thing in your business, it doesn't work. And then a part would go, see it didn't work. Or others would say, see it didn't work. We knew it wouldn't work. You don't have good ideas.
[00:07:20] Sarah: Yeah, what happens is when I go up to people, I think this kind of, so my enthusiasm always carries through and people are really open to and they're really excited and inspired by my ideas.
[00:07:34] Sarah: But then when I tried to say, Oh maybe we could collaborate or, do you know anyone who'd be interested in this? So I think then my, that part of me, that's doubting myself, my ability to make it happen because I've So long people have been telling me, Nah, you can't possibly do something like this.
[00:07:53] Sarah: This part comes through in somewhere in my energy and it turns people off. So [00:08:00] nothing gets off the ground because I have to fight this. Yes, all the time. Does that make sense?
[00:08:06] John: It does. Yeah, it does. Yeah, and as you focus on that part a little bit, how do you notice it in or around your body?
[00:08:13] John: What does it look like? Sound like?
[00:08:19] Sarah: In my throat straight away. It's like a tightening.
[00:08:25] John: Yeah.
[00:08:31] John: Yeah. And would it be okay to focus a little more on that tightening?
[00:08:36] Sarah: The sadness as well. Is
[00:08:43] John: that the same part or a different one?
[00:08:55] Sarah: Yeah, what I'm getting is it's like[00:09:00]
[00:09:01] Sarah: Why can't people believe in me? Why can't they just back me up? That's, the sadness and
[00:09:16] Sarah: And a reluctance to speak because people are gonna shoot it down. They're gonna just tell me all the different ways in which it's not gonna work.
[00:09:31] John: Got it.[00:10:00]
[00:10:09] Sarah: Goes back to this idea from before that and if they don't back me up, if they don't do it with me, I can't do it. I can't do it on my own. There's a belief there that I can't do it on my own. I
[00:10:29] John: see. Okay. And to what degree do you agree with that? I can't do it on my own.
[00:10:44] Sarah: I think it's quite a blended part actually. There's a lot of,
[00:10:58] Sarah: there's definitely a part of [00:11:00] me that believes that I can do it on my
[00:11:02] own.
[00:11:04] Sarah: I can find a way because I've done lots of things that people told me probably wouldn't work and I've made them work.
[00:11:16] Sarah: But there's also this part that really doesn't want to do things alone. That just said, it's just too much. It's too heavy. It's no fun
[00:11:29] Sarah: and boring.
[00:11:35] John: Yeah. And how do you notice being blended with this part?
[00:11:46] Sarah: I guess, because you said is there a, to how much do you agree with this? And
[00:11:55] Sarah: whilst the other self believes that it's [00:12:00] possible to do it on my own it's just a tiny amount that believes that it's possible and it's in the background and it's there. But I feel like most of my thoughts and my actions and everything are going to just go in the direction of, I need other people.
[00:12:21] Sarah: Yeah. That's what it feels like. Yeah.
[00:12:23] John: Yeah. Yeah. I can't do it alone. Or I can't do it if other people don't believe in me.
[00:12:33] Sarah: Yeah.
[00:12:35] John: How true does that feel when I say it back to you?
[00:12:56] Sarah: It feels true. That's the thing, it feels mostly true, [00:13:00] really.
[00:13:00] There's a
[00:13:08] Sarah: real belief that people won't follow me, yeah. There's a part that really says people won't follow you, so if you start something you're a nerd. And you need, obviously, like people to take part in this, they won't show up. There'll be no one there.
[00:13:32] Sarah: You're never going to find the people who want to do the things that you want to do.
[00:13:39] Sarah: It's because everybody else thinks differently to you.
[00:13:47] That's what's there.
[00:13:50] John: And can you keep going with that? Keep peeling back the layers of those fears or ask this part. And then what would that mean if this happened?[00:14:00]
[00:14:11] Sarah: Back to that kind of loneliness, really, there's the,
[00:14:16] Oh,
[00:14:16] Sarah: I put all that effort into something that I really believed in,
[00:14:21] John: but
[00:14:22] Sarah: because I couldn't get people to follow me, then
[00:14:30] Sarah: I'm on my own and I've done all this for nothing. Now I'm really alone. I feel like the one that's different, like the odd one out, one that likes things that other people don't like, or is interested in things
[00:14:45] that
[00:14:45] Sarah: other people are interested in.
[00:14:50] John: So it's, it sounds like this part is actually trying to help you avoid ending up alone
[00:14:59] John: by not [00:15:00] putting yourself out there more or trying this thing in your business that may or may not work
[00:15:10] John: because not having people follow me means I may end up alone according to this part, is that right?
[00:15:21] Sarah: And I may end up being proven yeah, that I can't do the thing that I think is a great thing.
[00:15:33] Sarah: And that would probably hurt, and it would be, it's if I can't do the thing that I'm here to do, then what am I supposed to do? Life has been, like, really meaningless for me.
[00:15:47] Sarah: Yeah. And I am alone. Yeah. So it's not a very nice picture, really.
[00:15:52] John: Can you share that with the part that you trying things like this [00:16:00] new thing in your business is an important part of you keeping connected to your life purpose and actually being less alone?[00:17:00]
[00:17:21] Sarah: There's not really a response like verbally but There's different sensations in my body that are coming up really
[00:17:29] Sarah: In the solar plexus and stomach,
[00:17:32] just different.
[00:17:35] John: What kind of sensations?
[00:17:42] Sarah: It's really strong around the throat now, but it's a very different feeling to what it was before. It's almost like somebody strangling me. So before it felt internal tightening, whereas now it feels there's a thing around my neck, literally, and it's just squeezing.
[00:17:57] John: Okay, [00:18:00] so you might just directly ask the part to soften the squeeze a bit, if it's willing.
[00:18:08] John: You can ask the part to turn down the intensity a bit. Or if you can, just let the part know you, you get how important this is,
[00:18:23] John: and how essential it is. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.
[00:18:26] Sarah: Into the gut now. Really yeah, quite whoa.
[00:18:30] John: Okay. How are you feeling toward it?
[00:18:39] Sarah: I'm intrigued. I feel like it wants me to understand something or to know something.
[00:18:45] John: Okay. So maybe just letting it know in whatever way makes sense to you, whether it's verbally or even with your hand there on the belly. Or the throat, letting it know I'm listening, like I'm all ears, you've got my [00:19:00] attention.
[00:19:03] John: Cause I get that this is feeling really high stakes for this part and I want to respect that and try to go really slow here if we can.
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[00:20:07] Sarah: I would say what's coming is that it's showing me what it feels like. When people don't go along with my ideas or, when I end up feeling rejected or alone because I'm different, like that sense, like not finding the people that kind of, yeah, resonate with me. That's the feeling.
[00:20:37] Sarah: So the sensations are just what that feels like. It says it wants me to know.
[00:20:52] John: Yeah. Are you open to knowing more about this, to hearing more?
[00:20:55] Yeah. So
[00:20:56] John: just let it know, really try to take [00:21:00] a posture of just listening and inviting the story of this part.
[00:21:08] John: Maybe even asking about the first time it happened or the worst time it happened.
[00:21:28] John: Silence.[00:22:00]
[00:22:44] Sarah: I don't really know how it's related but what's popped up is like this time when a friend was around and I was probably like in primary school or something and I was playing with his friend in the [00:23:00] garden and my dad was gardening nearby and I guess my sister was around and my sister and I started bickering and my dad just got annoyed and just took our heads and just banged them together.
[00:23:17] Sarah: I don't know why this is popping up now but it's but I did feel really like This is really like in front of our friend, what's our friend gonna think about this, it's just like it's
[00:23:32] John: Okay
[00:23:34] Sarah: Yeah
[00:23:35] John: So just try to slow it down a bit if you can and check in and see how connected you are with this part That's telling you this story[00:24:00]
[00:24:08] John: And how connected is this part to you in this moment?
[00:24:15] Sarah: I don't know. Can you ask that maybe in a different way? It's just not landing the question.
[00:24:20] John: Yeah. So we're just checking your connection to the part. Do I feel a little bit connected to it? Medium connected? Or very connected?
[00:24:35] John: Am I looking at the part? Am I just feeling it in my body? Is this part aware of me? Am I making eye contact with this part? I
[00:24:50] Sarah: don't know really. I just,[00:25:00]
[00:25:03] Sarah: part's definitely feeling lots of different things, but I don't really know how connected or not connected I'm to it.
[00:25:12] John: . So another option is if you're feeling open to it, you could just invite the part to connect. More with you as it's telling you this story,
[00:25:31] John: whether that's connecting with you more through your body or some other way, images, words,[00:26:00]
[00:26:08] Sarah: there's a real sense of shame from that part in that moment, like in that situation,
[00:26:13] like
[00:26:14] Sarah: a real sense of,
[00:26:20] Sarah: we're really different, like our families, not like other families. And
[00:26:25] John: yeah. Yeah. How true is that? Our family is different from other families.
[00:26:42] John: Cause if that's pretty true, I would just want you to validate that for this part. And in this moment,
[00:26:48] Sarah: I think to be honest, I hope for my friends that they weren't experiencing the same thing. But yeah, I think,[00:27:00]
[00:27:02] Sarah: and as it. A real sense of multi multifaceted because it's like we're this family that looks one way on the outside but it's different on the inside and if people see what goes on in the inside, they'll really think we're just there's something wrong with us. Yeah, and
[00:27:24] John: So this moment of the way your dad banged you and your sister's heads together was like a way of letting the cracks of the family show a bit.
[00:27:34] Sarah: Yeah, yeah. It just felt like it's hard enough to be friends with people because I feel different to them. This is like showing it on the big screen or something, that we're different.
[00:27:48] John: Yeah. Yeah, totally. This makes a lot of sense to me. Does it make sense to you?
[00:27:56] Sarah: Yeah.
[00:27:57] John: Let the part know, as best you can, [00:28:00] that it makes sense to you.
[00:28:07] John: This little girl trying to really make a friend here. And yet some of the ways in which our family is different are really being shown right now in full display. And dad doing something that's not so normal, like banging two little girl's heads together.
[00:28:35] Sarah: I think there's a sense of hopelessness, like just, there's no hope for you thing, yeah. You're weird. They're, your family's weird. You're, you're never gonna, people are never going to understand you. People can't understand what you're living and they can't understand why, you're, you think differently to them and they're never going to get you.
[00:28:59] Sarah: That's [00:29:00] what, yeah.
[00:29:05] John: Can you ask this part how old it is?
[00:29:20] Sarah: Maybe nine.
[00:29:23] John: Does the part say nine or are you just guessing?
[00:29:26] Sarah: I don't know. It's just I feel like even before that sense was there, just, which is different and nobody understands.
[00:29:40] John: So try to just go back to this question. I know it's a tricky one of how connected are you to this part? When you say, I think this part is about nine. Are you seeing it? Are you feeling it? Are you seeing you at that age in this memory in the garden?[00:30:00]
[00:30:18] Sarah: It feels like a really big part of me. It feels like it takes up a lot of space inside me. That's what it feels like.
[00:30:26] John: Yeah. Yeah. This part that carries hopelessness.
[00:30:46] Sarah: It says just don't get your hopes up. It's trying to protect me really.
[00:30:50] John: Okay. Yeah. Can you just let it know that you get that? If you get that, this part really doesn't want you to be [00:31:00] devastated.
[00:31:17] John: And you said this part takes up a lot of you. I wonder if you could imagine that even though this part takes up a lot of you right now, that you are in fact even just slightly bigger than this part or that you could take up a little more space than this part. And it's interesting. I
[00:31:56] Sarah: keep you believing that you're different [00:32:00] and then it's like I'm giving you an excuse. So if you fail to do what you want to do, if you fail to connect with people, if you fail to get people to understand you, then, because, if I tell you're different, then you won't feel so bad.
[00:32:31] John: Okay. Does that make sense to you?
[00:32:33] John: Yeah.
[00:32:35] Sarah: It's like taking, it's almost like it takes over all of me to stop me from doing Yeah, from getting my hopes up, but also from it also gives me this out effectively. Hey, if you fail, don't worry. It's because, you're not like other
[00:32:52] people.
[00:32:54] Sarah: So if they don't like you, if they don't like your ideas, if your ideas don't work out. [00:33:00]
[00:33:00] John: Yeah.
[00:33:01] Sarah: This is like the wild card. You can just pull out the. Why are you different card and then that's okay, so I'm gonna keep card like, like taking over all of you So that they're all the time,
[00:33:15] John: Yeah. Does that all make sense to you?
[00:33:18] Sarah: It does.
[00:33:22] Sarah: And also, of course, it's one of those, isn't it? If I keep that as my belief, then it makes succeeding much, much harder, doesn't it? Yeah,
[00:33:37] John: it does. Yeah. Something that you might. Work on with this part today and ongoing is this part's ability to trust that you can handle whatever happens next Or handle the highs and lows of your business the highs and lows of putting yourself out there and trying something that [00:34:00] may or may not work and That you the adult you that you are today in this part may need some updating around that can actually handle some disappointment, some defeat, some sense of being othered,
[00:34:23] John: even some sense of embracing your differences and how you're different.
[00:34:30] John: How does that land with the adult you of today?
[00:34:35] Sarah: Yeah, I think, yeah, the adult me definitely likes this idea and I want to share this part, like, All of the things that I've done in the last sort of few years and things and the people that I've met and how I have connected with people who get me, who are like me, who enjoy being friends [00:35:00] with me and also people that I've collaborated with really recognize the value that I bring.
[00:35:09] John: Yeah. Why don't you go ahead and do some of that updating now and just really gently and lovingly showing this part, those updates of what you've done and who you've met,
[00:35:28] John: really take your time to walk this part through those updates and notice how the part reacts.[00:36:00]
[00:36:59] Sarah: [00:37:00] She's quite excited, really, it's okay, I'm telling her that imagine what we could do instead of using being different as a shield, we used it as a door, We've been endorsed to bring in the people who are the same, who are maybe think in a different way, who view life in a different way.
[00:37:22] Yeah.
[00:37:31] John: Great. Let's see if you can just keep going with that.
[00:37:39] Sarah: And even in the last week, there's been lots of things like that, that have happened. Met people who were just had common interests or things like that. ,
[00:37:53] John: is there one particular interaction from this past week that you could show? This part? [00:38:00] This part almost. I had the most high on the wall. .
[00:38:03] Sarah: Yeah.
[00:38:03] Sarah: Incredible experience. On Saturday, I. My Airbnb guest who's an Indian doctor to the Cotswolds and a place nearby and stuff. And we even got to see a sun halo together. I'd never, I didn't even know they existed. And it was such a beautiful experience because we were so connected and we both had the same energy and lots of different points of connections.
[00:38:30] It
[00:38:31] Sarah: just felt like a really good day, really powerful day.
[00:38:36] John: Yeah. How's the part reacting to that?
[00:38:44] Sarah: It felt like a, like it let air out and just a bit of a softening.[00:39:00]
[00:39:00] John: Yeah. Great.
[00:39:01] Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. I think the visual I'm getting is instead of it being like, standing on guard, it's more relaxed.
[00:39:07] John: Yeah. Maybe just think the part and let it know that that it's more relaxed. Now
[00:39:16] John: we got just a few minutes left, maybe just asking the part, what else it needs from you in this moment, whether that's just being with or more updating or hearing its story. Does this part want to shift anything in its role or its position in your system?
[00:39:51] Sarah: It says it wants to make space for other parts. Does it want to take up so much space?
[00:39:58] John: Okay. [00:40:00]
[00:40:00] Sarah: Both to be smaller.
[00:40:02] John: Okay.
[00:40:06] John: Yeah. I would go ahead and invite that part to be smaller and open up a little more space to share
[00:40:17] John: and notice how that registers in your body.
[00:40:23] Sarah: Some celebration, I think of other parts, just like little dances there.
[00:40:28] John: Yeah. Yeah. Great.
[00:40:40] John: Can you ask this part whether it's stuck somewhere in a moment in time, like back there in the garden or anywhere in between?[00:41:00]
[00:41:05] Sarah: It
[00:41:20] Sarah: says it trusts me.
[00:41:22] John: Oh, nice.
[00:41:26] Sarah: I just keep getting this picture of it wanting to. walk side by side with me like holding hands.
[00:41:36] John: Beautiful.
[00:41:39] Sarah: Like it wants to be with me when I go and do those things I want to do talk to people, but it doesn't want to take over. It just wants to be with me.
[00:41:50] John: Yeah. How does that sound to you?
[00:41:58] Sarah: Yeah. He [00:42:00] wants to be with me to remind me to be authentic, not to just Be something different.
[00:42:07] Got it.
[00:42:08] Sarah: To what I'm
[00:42:09] . .
[00:42:09] Sarah: Not to hide because that's my thing. 'cause he doesn't want me to. Yeah, to try and be different to what I'm supposed to be.
[00:42:20] John: Okay. Yeah. That sounds like a really good partnership collaboration.
[00:42:34] John: So just notice what that's like to imagine walking hand in hand with this part and this part being in more of a collaborative role inside your system.
[00:42:59] Sarah: Yeah, it feels [00:43:00] good. It feels like a supportive
[00:43:02] part
[00:43:03] Sarah: now. And I'm I'm telling you as well It's to just have this kind of thing where, Hey, we don't, we can just go and try lots of different things and just know in advance that sometimes it'll work, sometimes it won't work, but it doesn't really matter because it's like a game of numbers sometimes, where you just, like when you're selling, it's like you can for every 10 people that you maybe try to sell to, maybe you'll get one that buys.
[00:43:40] Sarah: You get one. So it's, yeah, it doesn't have to matter. It can just be more of a let's see what happens this time sort of thing. Let's see what works and what doesn't.
[00:43:54] Yeah. Yeah. Lovely.
[00:43:59] John: Yeah. [00:44:00] Beautiful.
[00:44:03] John: So see how all that registers in your body as we get ready to wrap up here. And as you do that, also just asking the part if there's anything else it needs for now or something it would like from you as a follow up.
[00:44:21] John: Any parts have concerns about this one shifting into this new role and walking with you.
[00:44:31] Sarah: Really feel it in my heart. It really feels like something quite strong around the heart and it just, I think it just, yeah, it's just I want it to really be by my side every time I talk to someone about an idea or, offer something or suggest something or whatever.
[00:44:49] Sarah: It just wants to be there to be like, be holding its hands really.
[00:44:54] John: Oh, yeah.
[00:44:56] Sarah: Yeah. I think that's what it's [00:45:00] asking really.
[00:45:01] John: Yeah, wonderful.
[00:45:08] John: Okay. Yeah, really nice work. Anything you want to say or debrief here before we stop the recording?
[00:45:19] Sarah: No, I'm good.
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